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Sol Weinstein
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Posted - 2013.02.04 10:10:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:
What do you think?
So an elaborate game mechanic designed and implemented because:
A) You made a poor choice or poor choices
B) You have self-diagnosed OCD (not a personal attack just quoting you).
I will answer your question with one word:
No.
Thank you.
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To your credit, I am impressed you didn't as for SP reimbursement.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:35:00 -
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TheSkeptic wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
What do you think?
So an elaborate game mechanic designed and implemented because: A) You made a poor choice or poor choices B) You have self-diagnosed OCD (not a personal attack just quoting you). I will answer your question with one word: No. Thank you. ======== To your credit, I am impressed you didn't ask for SP reimbursement. Thank you!! Why don't you go troll your own horrifically terrible thread about NPC corps instead. tbh, this suggestion isn't bad. It doesn't ask for reimbursement of SP or time... just that the skills can be removed Almost like removing an implant.
This wasn't a troll. The poster asked for my opinion. My opinion is the opposite of the original post. These things happen.
Thank you.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:37:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
What do you think?
So an elaborate game mechanic designed and implemented because: A) You made a poor choice or poor choices B) You have self-diagnosed OCD (not a personal attack just quoting you). I will answer your question with one word: No. Thank you. ======== To your credit, I am impressed you didn't ask for SP reimbursement. Thank you!! Why do you care if I lose SP? Edit: Also it's not really "elaborate" as you say, just thorough and effective. Edit2: Also I didn't make any poor choices, CCP gave me industry 2 by default and accidentally injecting lab op was due to my mouse tracking going spazzy for unknown reasons.
Edit: The "poor choice" was at character creation. You picked the wrong school.
Edit2: Deal with it.
And, yes, your suggestion is this elaborate method to remove something that doesn't need to be removed. When you can simply just ignore the mistakes (fine, or mis-clicks) you made.
Thank you.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:40:00 -
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I would like to point out at this time that what you are asking for is already implemented into the game.
You have two options at this point in time that CCP has already spent hours of coding on to allow you the ChoiceGäó to fix the mistakes or mis-clicks you made:
ChoiceGäó #1: Biomass
ChoiceGäó #2: Don't update your clone; engage in PVP until that skill is randomly selected as one of the skills to be removed through natural loss of SP.
Now it is simply up to you. Just like the original inclusion of the skills you do not wish to have.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:05:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:
You ask me to ignore it and deal with it at the same time, which is it? I can't deal with it by ignoring it and by ignoring it the problem still stands. So here I am dealing with it, thank you for the bumps.
"Ignoring it" means "just deal with it and move on".
Thank you.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 08:14:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:
Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.
... because I didn't read the full description of the school I chose.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:56:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.
... because I didn't read the full description of the school I chose. I chose Imperial Academy, the alternatives being Hedion University and Royal Amarr Institute. Really you should learn to read what has been said instead of ignoring it and spouting nonsense. Thank you. (for the bump)
I have read what was posted. And my statement still stands. You might have gone back and read them more carefully. There is no doubt of that. What I am stating is at the time of character creation, you chose poorly. Let's read that again: you chose poorly.
Regardless if the other schools include Industry 2 or other skills you didn't want. Because I am certain that each of those schools would have also contained a skill you didn't want, even if you were making an "industry toon". You still made a ChoiceGäó that wasn't thought out properly based on your criteria for gameplay. I use the word 'gameplay' very lightly here, because your idea has nothing to do with actual gameplay. It's just your own personal issues that are affected here.
Now I will state that your idea is a poor one. I think it is way too cumbersome than some of the more realistic options that have already been suggested, such as "get over it", "deal with it", and "just don't look at the skills". An idea that would take hours and days of coding and checks and balances based on logins and passwords can be spent better on other aspects of the game. Fact.
Speaking of your checks and balances based on preventing hackers from hurting real players. No thank you. I don't want to even give the opportunity for someone else to log in and completely screw up my character. Even if it was only "1 skill per month or day". Even if they needed to hack two sets of login credentials to perform it. Nor do I want to even think about waiting for a petition to go through to be able to get my skills back. Absolutely NO. Giving the hackers this power to grief would be one of the worst things to be put in the game. And, agree with this or not, this tool WILL BE used to grief. No debating needed.
Feel free to keep hitting your head against the wall. It's your life.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:18:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
Industry 2 was provided with the character upon creation.
... because I didn't read the full description of the school I chose. I chose Imperial Academy, the alternatives being Hedion University and Royal Amarr Institute. Really you should learn to read what has been said instead of ignoring it and spouting nonsense. Thank you. (for the bump) I have read what was posted. And my statement still stands. You might have gone back and read them more carefully. There is no doubt of that. What I am stating is at the time of character creation, you chose poorly. Let's read that again: you chose poorly. Regardless if the other schools include Industry 2 or other skills you didn't want. Because I am certain that each of those schools would have also contained a skill you didn't want, even if you were making an "industry toon". You still made a ChoiceGäó that wasn't thought out properly based on your criteria for gameplay. I use the word 'gameplay' very lightly here, because your idea has nothing to do with actual gameplay. It's just your own personal issues that are affected here. Now I will state that your idea is a pour one. I think it is way too cumbersome than some of the more realistic options that have already been suggested, such as "get over it", "deal with it", and "just don't look at the skills". An idea that would take hours and days of coding and checks and balances based on logins and passwords can be spent better on other aspects of the game. Fact. Speaking of your checks and balances based on preventing hackers from hurting real players. No thank you. I don't want to even give the opportunity for someone else to log in and completely screw up my character. Even if it was only "1 skill per month or day". Even if they needed to hack two sets of login credentials to perform it. Nor do I want to even think about waiting for a petition to go through to be able to get my skills back. Absolutely NO. Giving the hackers this power to grief would be one of the worst things to be put in the game. And, agree with this or not, this tool WILL BE used to grief. No debating needed. Feel free to keep hitting your head against the wall. It's your life. Thank you. I really don't understand your logic. There are three choices to be made in character creation regarding as to what school you start in. An industry choice, a combat choice and a trade choice (i think it's a trade choice anyway). After reading carefully each one, I chose the combat school i.e. Imperial Academy, how is that the "wrong" choice when the other two are not the criteria I wanted. In fact, it was the right choice. It shouldn't have included industry 2 with it being the combat school. Fact. I think the idea is a good one, it's a quality of life improvement that comes with a penalty i.e. losing skill points and the time you spent learning them. But the bonus being you get to remove the skill books that you didn't want and/or been gathering dust for years. I will reiterate what I have said in earlier posts, countless times, just for you. I know the issue isn't a crucial one. It could be something team super friends work on when they have a bit of spare time. I agree that it shouldn't take priority over core gameplay mechanics but it is still a system I would like to see implemented. The password feature was just another idea, it doesn't necessarily mean that it would have to be used. So you think that having a second password built in to your game will somehow give a hacker the ability to find your login credentials more easily? I hate to burst your bubble sunshine but have you ever heard of biomassing? What's stopping a hacker gaining your login credentials right now and biomassing your character. You would lose far more skill points and time if that where to happen. You would also have to go through the same petition to wait to get your character back. I think you are delusional. Thanks for the response nonetheless.
Yes. Of course you think your idea is a good one.
As for your biomassing point. The system isn't perfect. And, in my opinion, a biomassed character is probably easily restored. No need to pour over a skill sheet, etc. etc etc... Nothing is "lost" in regards to skills.
Thank you for questioning my mental state as a point in your discussion. It shows an awesome level of control over your emotions when interacting with other people.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:24:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Iminent Penance wrote:Everyone Relax, I have the answer to this thread:
Delete your character. Remake the race you want. Boom instant clean slate no more messy 100+ skills .
Your welcome, feel free to give me massive donations of isk for supporting you to this answer This would work if you weren't given industry 2 on character creation. Anyone else with the bright ideas willing to step up and share the infinite wisdom? 
Sure, I'll step up.
I think you should learn to cope with small, ineffectual differences in the things in life. Having Industry lvl 2 is in no way a gamebreaking experience.
What's next? Your market alt that never undocks wants to unlearn Spaceship Command lvl 3. Your scientist alt wants to unlearn Gunnery lvl 3?
I will point out once more that you should just not refresh your clone and engage in that PVP you are so into (because you don't want your combat pilot to have an Industry skill at lvl 2) and eventually you will not have Industry lvl 2. The mechanic is already in the game. You can combine the suggestion of restarting a character from scratch and my suggestion of flying without a proper clone to remove those unwanted skills.
Or, just deal with the small item of having Industry lvl 2. Because I don't see this idea going anywhere.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:27:00 -
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Mag's wrote: there was a time when choices with character selection were slim.
You don't say. News to me.
Maybe check character age before talking about the good old days.
Thank you.
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Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:21:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:
I cope with it fine, you make it sound like I am ripping my hair out over seeing it. Nope, I would just prefer it gone is all.
Actually, you made it seem like it was such an unbearable thing for you that you need this system put in place. Once more I will suggest your least favorite method of "just dealing with it". It's not that bad is it? To see Industry lvl 2 in your skillsheet?
Just admit that it's not that bad. You'll feel better and maybe this thread will die.
Thank you. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.08 19:55:00 -
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Sasha Khaine wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:
I cope with it fine, you make it sound like I am ripping my hair out over seeing it. Nope, I would just prefer it gone is all.
Actually, you made it seem like it was such an unbearable thing for you that you need this system put in place. Once more I will suggest your least favorite method of "just dealing with it". It's not that bad is it? To see Industry lvl 2 in your skillsheet? Just admit that it's not that bad. You'll feel better and maybe this thread will die. Thank you. Just because I'm willing to argue for the implementation of my idea doesn't mean I find it an unbearable sight. Yes it's not that bad, but still it would be something I would like to see gone. 
Unfortunately you have failed to convince me and many others that this is a much needed change to the game. I am most regretful for the personal situation you are experiencing. However, there is nothing further I can offer to assist you in this issue.
I hope you enjoyed the ride.
Thank you.
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